the United States would not have been bound by it because
we made that reservation. The case of Turkey has been men-
tioned here. We have been asked, Would the United States
have brooked interference by Europe Did we try to seize
land, do you think for one moment that England or any other
nation of Europe would allow us to seize land in Turkey
The gentleman says he would not have allowed it because
we would not want to seize land. The case of Venezuela has
been mentioned. That case is not applicable; there is no
question in that case that can be discussed in this debate.
It has been argued here that there would be only one state.
The position is that if there was one state that goes to the
tribunal and gets an award the European creditor may seize
land, but if there are two or ten creditor states that go to the
Hague tribunal and then there is a default by the debtor
state, land cannot be taken. Do you think the United States
can uphold such a policy It has been suggested that we
allow this seizure of land to punish the South American state.
President Roosevelt in his message of December 3, 1901, says
that the Monroe doctrine does not guarantee any state against
punishment, provided that it does not take the form of acqui-
sition of territory by a non-American power. Punish the
state, but never take its land! Secretary Foster who is to
assist in settling the Alaskan boundary question says that
the Monroe doctrine means that no land can be permanently
held by any non-American state in this hemisphere. The
proposition of the affirmative is too broad. It affirms that
we have no interest in South America and can have none.
Every one must admit that we have some interest in South
America, and in this debate we have shown that our interests
are many. The affirmative asserts that wherever in South
America these, conditions exist we should allow land to be
taken regardless of what our interests may be, regardless of
where the land is situated, regardless of the reason why the
debtor state has defaulted, regardless of the purpose with
which the European state seizes the land, regardless of all