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A UK sociologist it
among three
Kentuckians named to the President's
Committee on Rurol Poverty: Poge

The College of tducation will tope
students teaching as a counseling
aid: Poge Eight.

The Righteous Brothers will be here
Oct. 14: Poge Three.

The UK Master Plan will be discussed
next week to faculty, students, ond
staff: Poge Nine.

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Parking structures were promised;
where are they, editorial asks: Poge
Four.

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The UK Development Council meets
Friday: Poge tleven.

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LEXINGTON, KY., THURSDAY, SEPT. 29,

By GENE CLABES
Kernel Managing Editor
Lexington police are searching for four unknown assailants
who severely beat one University student and roughed up three
others last Thursday in a Rose Lane apartment.
noDert Amyx, a second se
mester sophomore from Paducah, then began pummelling himself,
was released from the University Washburn, Furmall and HarriHospital Wednesday after six son, "calling us 'Commies' while
days of treatment for a minor they were beating us."
"A man in the next apartconcussion and irritation of a
ment came in and halted the
hemophilia condition.
The other students involved fight by appearing to be on
were identified as freshmen Brad their side," Amyx said.
Washburn explained after the
l,
Washburn, Chicago; Jim
assailants left the apartment the
Louisville; and Darrell
Harrison, Ashland. All four stu- three students rushed Amyx to
dents were identified by Amyx the hospital where he was imas members of the University
mediately administered seven
pints of plasma.
chapter of Students for a DemoReleased from the Medical
cratic Society.
Lexington police said today Center Wednesday, Amyx still
the incident took place between has numerous bruises over the
1 and 2 a.m.
Sept. 22 at Amyx right side of his face and a
and Washburn's apartment at badly discolored right eye.
416 Rose Lane.
"Robert (Amyx) was kicked
In an interview today Amyx in the face and beaten much
said he and Washburn returned more severely than
any of us
to their apartment following an in the
apartment," Furmall said.
on campus SDS meeting lasting
until 10 p.m. the night of the "As he suffers from a knee condition that hampers his walk,
incident.
He also said Furmall and he couldn't get away from the
Harrison joined them there fo- guy hitting him," Furmall added.
llowing the SDS session.
Following the beating Wash"We were playing the guitar burn informed Lexington police
and the record player when sud- of the incident and filed "John
denly a man appeared in the Doe" warrants for the assailants
back of the apartment and says, arrest. (A "John Doe" warrant
'Where's the party'," Amyx said. is obtained when a person acWashburn said he told the cused of committing a crime
man there was no party there. is known only by sight.) WashThen three other men appeared burn's warrant was for assault
in the doorway he said.
and battery.
"They walked over to Jim
Campus SDS leaders specuFurmall, who was playing the lated the incident may have been
guitar and began slapping him provoked by a hostile dialogue
around," Washburn said. "They
recently between SDS members
kept saying 'you want to fight'!"
opposing escalation of the VietinFurmall said one of the
nam War and other students
truders threw his glasses across
the war's escalation.
the room trying to "force me favoring
The dialogue occurred Sept.
into a fight."
Amyx said after that happened 13 when SDS members opened
and manned a Student Center
he moved toward the door, inBooth from which they dissemtending to call the police.
speeches by U.S.
"Just as I reached the door inated anti-wa- r
Senators J. W. Fulbright and
one of the men asked ine where
I was going," he said. "He Wayne Morse. A copy of one
advised me to get back into the speech was set afire while other
apartment and then he started copies were destroyed by hecklers.
hitting me."
According to Washburn the
Amyx said the four intruders
Fur-mal-

Us.

booth was opened

about five
feet from a Navy and Marine
Corps
booth.

recruiting-informatio-

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Amyx said he was not convinced the beating was caused
by his SDS involvement but said,
"It is a strong possibility that
this happened because of this."
"I would recognize the four
men again but I didn't see them
at the Student Center booth Sept.
13" he added. "However there
was a great deal of confusion

there that day."
Washburn is even less convinced the incident was a result
of the booth but adds, "I'm
also not sure that it wasn't.
"It seems as if they had been
here (the apartment) because of
the booth they would have mentioned it before they started hitting us," Washburn said. "But
I still have some reservations
about walking around on campus.
About three or four times daily
I'm called a communist and other
names on campus. I'm a little
frightened."
Following the incident Washburn said he stayed with friends
rather than going back to the

apartment.

On both Friday and Saturday
were reported in
night break-in- s
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By JUDY CRISHAM
Kernel Associate Editor
Honors Program director, Dr.
R. O. Evans, Thursday rebutted
criticism that the program is suffering from lack of student interest.
He claimed a report in
Wednesday's Kernel "gave the
wrong emphasis" to Dr. William
Axton's comments on the Honor
Program.
"Is it an expression of lack
of interest," he said, "that 13
sophomores out of 34 in the program signed up for a class not

listed in the schedule book?"
He explained that the sophomore colloquium

(Honors

201)

which is being offered for credit
for the first time this year is an
elective for an honors program

Washburn had contacted Harris because
all events in the Student Center are coordinated through a central office for space
reservation purposes.
Washburn told the Kernel he had requested space on the patio for a Wednesday
speech. He said Harris initially agreed to
the request, but contacted him later and
cancelled the occasion.
Harris said today he was concerned that
the speech would result in physical violence.
He pointed out that a booth in the Student
Center two weeks ago operated by Students
for a Democratic
Society (SDS) "almost
ended in a
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Where Sue Dempsey negotiates a bridge at Beach Fork. It has
been complained that children in the hollows nearby have to
cross it every day to get to school. See story on page six.

student. It was set up, he said, in the program, he said, is that
becuase the freshmen colloquium attendance at the meetings held
members indicated an interest by the students has doubled ov er
in a similar program for the sophlast year
omore level.
the stu"The
"I could not get the course dents an meetings givemeet their
opportunity to
through in time for the schedule
he said. "The meetbook," he said. "As a result most peer group," down to an attendings had fallen
of the sophomores already had
ance of 20 out of 130 in the profull schedules."
This year, there is an
He considered it a "major gram.
average of 50 out of 137 attending
victory" to get that many into the meetings."
a course not in the schedule book.
He cited other ways of meaThe 33 freshmen in the Honors
Program all take Honors 101, a suring interest: honors program
credit course on History of students consistently make the
Ideas.
highest averages in their classes,
"The attendance in this fresh- win the largest number of fellowman colloquium has been 100 per- ships, and are heavily represented
cent," Evans said. "Is this lack in Phi Beta Kappa.
"The Honors Program is a
of interest?"
Another indication of interest service program for superior students," Evans said. "They are a
self-select-

SC Speaker Rules To Be Studied

the Student Center.
Brad Washburn, freshman from Chicago,
requested space on the patio from Student
Center Building Director Frank Harris, but
had his request delayed pending action on
a policy statement from the Student Center
Board's forum committee.
Harris said he hoped to have a definite
framework "within which this sort of thing
can work" by next week.

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Honors Program Students
Interested, Director Says

Request For Socialist Speech Spurs Action
By WALTER GRANT
Kernel Editor-in-ChiA student's request to deliver a socialism
speech on the Student Center patio will
result in a study of speaker guidelines in

Twelve Pages

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Who Beat Stodemts
Four SDS Members
Attacked In Apartment

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Washburn said Harris told him the speech
had to be cancelled because the Student
Center policy does not provide "for this
type of thing."
The student also quoted Harris as saying
jokingly, "If you were going to talk about
something like the Democratic party, they

would let you do it."
Harris said he made a facetious statement, but he had a point, adding that if a
speaker wanted to talk about a
subject, there would be no chance
of violence." He added, "I am not trying
to keep Washburn from presenting his v iews,
Continued On Page 6

group of

students-w- hy

would they be in the program if they weren't interested?"
Evans said honors program
students recieve more expert advising, can be assigned to classes
regardless of the "battle of the
machines," get extensiv e counselingboth academic and personaland get a certain kind of
teaching not duplicated in other
classes in the University, which
he describes as "liberal arts
teaching in colloquia."
The program concentrates essentially on the freshman anil
sophomore, Evans said.
"The junior and senior becomes primarily the responsibility of the major department,"
he said.

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THE KENTUCKY KERNEL, Thursday, Sept.

29, 1900

Kentuchians
To Investigate
Rural Poverty

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President
WASHINGTON
Johnson lias named a University
professor of rural sociology and
two other K."tnckians toa President's Committee on Hural Poverty.
Dr. Thomas Ford said he is
happy with the committee post,
since he feels the rural poverty
is a pressing national problem.
Cov. Edward T. Breathitt was
named chairman of the 26-em her commission and Dr.

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Hutchins, president
of Berca College, was also asked
to serve.

"We probably have our proportionate share of poverty and
our proportionate share of the
committee," Dr. Ford said.
Among the problems Johnson
has directed the commission's
attention to are sources of additional employment, availability of land and other resources,
and the condition of children
and youth in niral areas.
Ford said he was contacted
by a Presidential assistant. He
said he has not been in touch

with Cov. Breathitt, and assumed the commission would
begin work upon his call.

PHILLIP PATTON

BARBARA CURTIN

S.

Youth Constitution Group
Names Co chairmen Here
for
Two students have been appointed campus
Youth for a Better Constitution.
Kentucky
Barbara Curtin, senior French major, and Phillip Patton, junior
political science major, will head this program. Miss Curtin, Alpha
Delta Pi sorority rush chairman, said, "Kentucky, as a modern
Commonwealth, urgently needs a reorganized and revitalized constitution in order to plan for tomorrow, as well as to meet today's

needs."
Patton, a member of the Student Government, said he favored
a new constitution because, "Kentucky's present constitution was
written 75 years ago by a group of men hostile toward industry
and big government."
The chairmen will conduct an organizational meeting at 3 p.m.
Oct. 4 in room 109 of the Student Center.

2 UK Professors
To Discuss Drama,
Speech At Eastern
Wallace N. Briggs, chairman,

and Charles Dickens, assistant
professor, both of the University's
Department of Theatre Arts, will
serve as panelists in a discussion
of "New Trends in Speech and
Drama," to be held on Friday at
a meeting of the Kentucky Speech
Association, Central Kentucky
Education Association district
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The Righteous Brothers
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By DICK KIMMINS
Kernel Arts Writer
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Miss Tempo, according to her
record album jackets, has a voice
"that sounds like it came from
a throat full of angora sweaters."
Caylord and Holiday have
been working together as a
comedy team since their graduation from the University of
Detroit. They record on the Mercury label.
In a little over three years,
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established themselves as one of Brothers.
the top record and concert atThe
audience, inthe musical sound, betractions in the world.
spired by
"That's righteous,
They combined forces in 1962 gan chanting
after several years of heading up brotherl"The term stuck.
To what do they owe their
their own small combos. Both
success? Hatfield said, "We don't
were just 22 then, having shared
similar backgrounds in Southern hav e any gimmick. Our approach
is with one specific quality in
California's Orange County.
mind: the heart of the song."
Following their graduation
Medley attributed the group's
from high school, the boys began
acceptance to a mood, "The
their musical careers in earnest, secret is to create a mood rather
establishing small groups and than to articulate words."
playing in small clubs and coffeeTickets for the concert go on
houses.
sale Oct. 1 at Dawahare's,
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Graves-Cox- ,
and the Stugroup and began to attend his dent Center. The price is $2.00
performances. Soon after, they
in advance and $3.00 at the door,
combined and were booked into all seats reserved.
the Charter House in Anaheim,
Cal., for a
prom.
Their instantaneous success
culminated in their producing
"Little Latin Lupe Lu", which
asfbecame their first hit single.

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A
of pop
music personalities will appear
on the Memorial Colisum stage
Friday, Oct. 14 in a concert
brought to UK by the Student
Center Board.
The Righteous Brothers, Nino
and April Tempo, and the musical-comedy
team of Caylord and
Holiday will entertain in the
8 p.m. show.
Grammy Award winners Nino
and April Tempo are a brother-siste- r
singing sensation from
Hollywood, Calif, who hit the
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"University faculty ami staff "We were unable to acquire the
will begin myingfor xirking Sept. needed land as rapidly as we ex1 ' under a
plan adopted by the pected," Coleman said. In fact,
Executive Committee of the Board deed to the last parcel of land
of Trustees Friday afternoon.
required on Rose Street was taken
last week.
"The faculty-staf- f
fee system just
Land for the parking structure
will enable the University to begin
this fall to implement the mrking near the Student Center is already
owned. The planner said
portion of the general campus plan. University
this site was not developed because
Two 500 car parking structures
should be under construction by it was second priority to the Rose
Street structure. Also, there was
September. Their completion
some doubt where to relocate physiby September, 1965."
cal education classes which use the
The Kernel Feb. 25, 196-area intended for a parking facility,
It is more than two years since the planner said.
the University announced the plan
The validity of both reasons
and expected date for the proposed
seems questionable. Campus planmulti-storparking structures. Acners should have anticipated and
cording to the February, 1964,
investigated possible delays in
Trustee action, the parking faciliIf there was
ties should have been built and property acquisition.
land might not be
doubt the
been in operation one year ago this any
available, the announcement
month. They were to be constructed
should have been withheld. Even
between the Student Center and
eight months after the initial anMcClean field and at Washington
nouncement, Coleman still was
and Rose Streets.
expressing hopes that the parking
Today, planning has yet to bestructures would be in use by
gin. The appointment of an archithe fall semester, 1965.
tect for the project will probably
Relocation of the physical edbe made within the next two weeks,
ucation classes had already been
Larry Coleman, campus planner,
determined at the time of the ansaid Tuesday.
nouncement. Now, as was planned
As might be expected, a number of reasons for the delay are in 1963, the classes are to be
moved to a site near the new
readily available. Inability to acdorm complex. The land has been
quire all the land needed for the
available for at least five years,
Washington and Rose Street strucbut no relocation has been atture has been cited as one reason.
tempted. The priority excuse is
also superficial. Just because one
parking structure could not be
built does not mean that the other
could not be built. Even though
the site was "second priority,"
a need still existed and was not
filled.
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Parking is, and probably always will be a problem so long
as the University continues expanding in size and personnel.
Until some serious planning is
made, and the plans are followed
through and implemented, there
is little hope the University will
ever begin to catch up, let alone
alleviate, the problem.

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CCHR Rebirth

Letters To The Editor

Reader Attacks Critic's Logic
To the Editor of the Kernel:
Mr. Forston (letter, Sept. 20)
seems to think the Kernel isn't
supporting the University because
it printed a letter concerning certain
priorities in building, an editorial
condeming violence, and an editorial poking fun at a University
employe.
I'm afraid I just can't follow
Mr. Forston's reasoning when he
claims I'm
because
I prefer educational facilities to a
new stadium, unless he considers
a football team the most important
product of a University. Apparently,
this is just what he thinks for he
has placed the football coach in
the position of being the University and any comments about Mr.
Bradshaw not steeped in adoration
are heresy.
anti-Universi- ty

CCHR survey proved that
Negroes were discriminated against
Mr. Forston has made it clear
in the housing area, and most
that he is in favor of illegal aspayed higher rent than whites.
We applaud the revival of the
sembly, breach of the peace, use
of profane language, vandalism,
CCHR and hope the organization,
assault, and assault and battery
strengthened by a large, interested
(a felony in Kentucky) when it
membership, will soon launch a
A CCHR
meeting Tuesday
comes to debating with the SDS
offensive against all disstrong
proved that there are a number
or anyone else he doesn't like. I
of students at the University who' criminatory practices.
care, who are willing to participate in activities to help others.
It is really the first bit of strong
evidence that a portion of the
The South's Outstanding College Daily
student community is not conUniversity of Kentucky
tent with merely a formal educa- ESTABLISHED 1894
THURSDAY, SEPT. 29, 1966
tion.
Walter M. Grant,
The CCHR has aimed its sights Terence
Gene Clabes, Managing Editor
Hunt, Executive Editor
at discrimination in housing, adJudy Crisham, Associate Editor
Frank Browninc, Associate Editor
mission procedures, and Negro John Zeh, Associate Editor
Piul Straw, Sports Editor
Hon Herron, Daily News Editor
participation in athletics. These Larry Fox, Daily News Editor
Barry Cobb, Cartoonist
are the immediate problems facing
Ed Campbell, Circulation Manager
William Knafp, Business Manager
many Negroes at the University.
Stirrings of life from the slowly dying Campus Committee on
Human Rights are welcome, and
should be nurtured until the organization becomes a strong, integral instrument for removing discrimination.

A 1964

The Kentucky Kernel
Editor-ln-ClU-

fail to see how he can rationally
justify charging the person responsible for the SDS editorial with
not supporting the University. Mr.
Forston could charge this person
with not supporting mentally immature law breakers who hide in
a mob.
Just to keep the record straight,
all the letters I have submitted to
the Kernel have been printed, therefore it logically follows that they
were all printable.
Carl R. Seider
A & S Senior

Fix The Flag
I

would like to bring to the

attention of the student body, faculty, and administration a situation
which should not be allowed to
exist. The object of my concern
is our national emblem which flies
over the ROTG parade ground.
Wherever our flag is flown it
represents the American citizen and
his belief in personal liberty and
justice for all mankind. It represents every citizen who has ever
lived, fought, and died for those
principles by which our country
was founded.
I cannot speak for the rest of
you, but a flag that resembles
so much dirty laundry does not
represent me as a citizen, veteran,
or a student. Neither does it honor
my shipmates who died defending
their country and its way of life.
Let us now correct this injustice
to those who paid so dearly for
the freedom we enjoy.
Cordon W. Fearrell
A03IUSNR Freshman

* THE KENTUCKY KERNEL, Thursday, Sept.

Robert Frost.

Poet-Educato-

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Put The Sheep And Goats Together
go on thinking that everybody
should get as much education as
possible for a long time yet.
"Economic conditions may
cause us to cut down somewhat
on our educational program, but
as soon as conditions become
better you will find us back where
we were. We will begin asking
ourselves, 'Have we reached a
point of being glutted in education, and are we going on a diet?'
And I think the answer will be,
'No.' We are too used to having
education around where young
people can get at it."
Advocating the extension of
general education and the postponement of specialization until
later years, Mr. Frost said, "I'd
like to see more young folks continue with their general education
up to the age of eighteen or
twenty and not begin to concentrate on specific fields too
early in life.
"We ought to give a boy or
girl at least eighteen or twenty
years to learn all he can about
the world he is living in and to
find himself out.
"Sometimes a person's real
character is slow in blossoming.
Until I was fourteen I had never
read a book. I thought, and those
who knew me thought, I was more
mechanically minded than anything else.
"But after I had read my first
book a new world opened up for
me, and after that I devoured as
many of them as I could lay
my hands on. By the time I
was fifteen I was already beginning to write verses.
"That's why I didn't like to
see the attempts some educators
are making to separate the sheep
from the goats at too early a stage.
They say 'you can't make a silk
purse out of a sow's ear,' but
who knows whether you can or
not. I say let the sheep and the
goats run together for a good
long while and eventually they
will separate themselves.
"It is true that some people
and
seem to have a word-ginothing else, but it won't hurt
them to get as much general
education over as wide a field
as possible. I myself, for instance,

say 'you can't make a
purse out of a sow's
ear,'" said Robert Frost, "but
who knows whether you can or

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Mr. Frost was talking about
public education, a subject upon
which he is considered an author
ity of unusual astuteness, for that
insight which has made him a
poet of international reputation
has given him also a keen understanding of the problems of youth.
That his reputation in this
field is recognized is evident from
the fact that so many colleges
have found or made a place for
him on their faculty, believing
that even if their students got
nothing else from him, the mere
contact w ould be of lasting benefit to them.

"The interesting thing about
education is the United States,"
he said, "is that hitherto we

have generally made it possible
for most anyone to go as far in
any direction as he seemed willing and capable.
"More recently,
however,
there seems to be evident a tendency to cut down on educ-

ROBERT FROST

Robert Frost was teacher
fore poet, and his outlook on
education in the 20' s and 30v
would seem to many as outlandish today as it was then.
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ationto curtail appropriations,
closedown schools, and cut down
teaching staffs and to say to
students, 'Get just what you need
and call it quits.'
"This tendency has alarmed a

good many people, for they see
in it a dangerous implication.
However, I am not alarmed, especially for us in New England.
The tradition of having a good,
general education available for
anyone who wants to get it is
too strongly rooted among the
New Englanders. I believe we ll
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