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Thursday Evening, Feb. 27, 19G9

UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY, LEXINGTON

CARSA Holds

Vol. LX, No. 105

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Picnic In Grille,
Boycotts Grapes

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By DANIEL E. COSSETT

Kernel Staff Writer
The Student Center Grill was the scene of "picnic" Wednesday,
as members of Community Alliance for Responsible Social Action
V
(CARSA) brought food, tablecloths, picnic baskets, portable radios
and even insect repellent into the grill for lunch.
Purpose of the ' picnic was
to protest the selling of Califor
the grape boycott. Larry Jeffrey,
nia table grapes by University director of Food Services, said
Food Services. Karen Schroeder, on two seperate occassions:
of CARSA,
secretary-treasur"We will continue to order
said picnics will be held daily and sell grapes as long as our
until the University stops selling customers continue to buy them
or take them off the cafeteria
grapes.
lines."
Approximately 50 persons particiCARSA president Dill Rauch
pated, distributing cookies and
literature and attempting to per- reports that a team of boycott
Members of the Community Alliance for Responsible Social Action
suade people to stop buying food workers will come to UK someor drinks from the Grill. One time in March to discuss the
(CARSA) staged a picnic protest in the Student Center Grill Wednesday.
The protest was in support of the grape boycott. CARSA members
unidentified person, however, boycott and propose new courses
vowed to have their picnic every day until the University stops selling
bought a bowl of grapes and of action to put economic presgrapes. CARSA recently picketed Lexington A&P stores as part of the
cheerfully ate them in full view sure on people who grow and
of the demonst raters.
Same protest against Selling grapes.
sell California table grapes.
Kernel Photo By Dave Herman
A secondary goal ofthe"pick-nicketers- "
is to involve as many
Did
people as possible in the nation
Say
wide grape boycott.
"The main idea behind all
this is to boycott grapes in order
to help migrant workers in California get better living and workcommittee, we set up times, would only issue press releases
is set up to study a bill that
By LARRY DALE KEELING
ing conditions," Miss Schroeder
and "use" the Kernel.
Assistant Managing Editor
said.
would completely reorganize stuplaces and speakers for future
"This student affairs reorganCARSA has been tryStuJuul said. "They
The controversy over ihe
meetings,"
dent affairs under a broader
"Lately,
ization is liable to become a
to stop the sale of grapes in dent Government Committee of student government.
(Bryan and Futrell) are the exing
campaign issue," he added. "It
the Lexington community at the Whole meetings continued
Bryan said the first time he ecutives of Student Government. As such, they handled gets quite sticky in that it does
We realized that the Wednesday
as SG President had heard about a specific date
large.
affect some power groups. It is
the bill establishing the commajority of students at UK were Wally Bryan and Vice President for speaking to the committee
and as such, they know too volatile an issue. Futrell
not responding to the boycott Tim Futrell denied they had was Wednesday afternoon when
mittee,
when the committee meets. doesn't want to handle it."
at all, and furthermore our own ever been invited to speak to the he read the Kernel. Juul had atJuul said at least two other
which we support, meetings.
tacked Bryan, Futrell and StuThey have both been requesUniversity,
ted to attend the meetings and people Rober Duncan and
table grapes.
sells California
Committee Chairman Thorn dent Center Board Chairman
Joe Maguire (both SG Repre"We thought it was about Pat Juul again stated that both John Southard Tuesday night they have refused."
sentatives and members of
time ve cleaned up our own Bryan and Futrell had been in- for not attending the meetings
Juul charged Futrell would
heard him invite Futrell
vited, but that they never apbackyard."
they were "invited" to.
not "face the issues." (Juul and SAR)
Food Services so peared.
Asked about Juul's claim that Futrell both are unofficially to the meetings.
University
Duncan said he had heard
far has refused to cooperate with
The Committee of the Whole Bryan had been invited to the
candidates for the 1969-7- 0
SG
Juul invite Futrell to a specific
meetings, the latter replied,
presidency. )
meeting, the second that the
'That is a total lie. It is the
committee held.
Instead, Juul said Futrell
from the truth of anysaid this year."
thing I've heard
Bryan said he had talked to
Juul about the committee meetings, but denied that Juul had
ever invited him to a specific
By CUD? HUTCHESON
meeting.
Kernel Suit Editor
Futrell said, "Juul has never
By JEAN RENAKER
Tickets for the
on March 8 will be distrigame
Kernel Staff Writer
officially invited me, and only
buted on a
basis.
once has he mentioned it to me
A discussion last night on "The Relevancies of the Greek SysThe tickets were scheduled to be randomly distributed on Thurscasually, without telling me the tem" made clear that the basic complaint many independents
day prior to the game, but a Wednesday meeting of the Ticket
specific time and date of that have against the Greek system is that Greeks are "apathetic."
Committee resulted in a cancellation of that plan.
The controversy arose over the question of whether Greeks
meeting."
We re still evaluating data,
He said that "Juul's claim should take a stand on the "vital" issues of the times.
said a report from the Ticket to the public. Still, there were
209 vacancies.
that I don't want to be quoted
The discussion was sponsored
Committee, a subcommittee of
A total of 4,520 student tickets
and that he has invited me to by the Human Relations Panel.
the UK Athletics Board. "We
might think, someone asserted
three meetings of the 'whole is Moderator of the discussion was that he was an "exception."
now have sufficient data to were picked up in advance for
a capricious and scurrilous un- John Simon. Other panelists were
Monday night's Alabama game,
The panel and audience also
study."
truth."
students Nancy Baker, Les Rosen-baudiscussed the "hypocrisy" of the
Tickets for the Tennessee and there were 4,844 tickets availFutrell labeled Juul a "troubleable. Of those tickets picked up,
foreign student Devinder Creeks. One Negro member of
game will be available at 12
maker" given to "highly uneth- Mangat and Dan Clark, the only the audience said he "could not
1,726 were used.
noon on the day of the game.
ical" publicity stunts. He said Greek on the panel.
There were 923 tickets sold to
understand" why his friends will
The game starts at 3:10 p.m.
the public, but there were still
Juul had a record of "irresponsiClark, a member of Sigma not speak to him when they are
The committee said standing
Nu fraternity, said Creeks as a in the company of their fraterbility and radicalism.
room would be opened at 2:50 1,127 vacancies.
difNo definite proposals for
"Ironically," Futrell added, whole do not take a stand on nity brothers.
p.m.
"in principle, I agree with many "vital" issues because Greeks
P
distribution had ferent methods of student ticket
Clark pointed out that this
parts of Juul's proposal for a come from a "broad spectrum of
used as an experiment by distribution are now in sight,
been
type of reaction wasn't typical
and stronger Student life."
to the Ticket Commitgreater
the Ticket Committee in efforts according
of just Creeks, but said that the
Government.
According to other Creeks
to eliminate the long line of stu- tee report.
"If he would tell me when present, it is up to the individual same thing could happen with
One committee member condents before ballgames and to inhe wants me to come to the fraternity member to take a stand anyone.
sure that all seats wouldbeused. ceded the distribution method
Fraternities were also atused for the LSU and Alabama
meeting, I would be glad to on the issues important to him. tacked for
not living up to the
For last Saturday's LSU game, games was not successful, but
come and talk, because I've got
One member of the audience
idea of "brotherhood" embodied
the ticket supply was exhausted added that something would have
some definite ideas about the claimed members of the Creek
in the word "fraternity." One
bill."
by 6:30 Thursday, the first day to be done next year to alter the
system are afraid to take stands
of distriubtion. The Ticket Com- present system.
Juul admitted that SCB because "they are afraid of be- person said that he felt there
was no true feeling of brothermittee reported there were 1.047
Chairman John Southard had ing connected with an
One effect of the random
hood in a fraternity.
ticket i that were not used by
not been invited to the meetdistribution was poor atwho picked them up. tendance at freshmen
"They're Just there," he said.
the students
When one member of the auing, but still contended that
games. The
Futrell had dience said he took "a stand on "It's nothing."
both Bryan and
There we're 500 students ad- smaller attendance at the pre
A member of Theta Chi coun- been invited.
any issue" he wanted without
mitted on a standing room basis liminary contests hurt financially
?The first meeting of the fear of what his Creek brothers
Contlnufd on Pate 5, Cot 1
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19G9

Richardson's Haunting, Absorbing 'Dark Of The Moon'
Scheduled For Three More Performances At Guignol
By DIANE G ABOARD

Kernel Drama Critic

"Dark of the Moon," by

Ho-

ward Richardson and William
Rcrncy, Guignol Theatre's latest
offering, is an uncommon love
story vaguely based on the poignant folk ballad "Barbara Allen."
It is a strange and haunting tale
of dark witchery, majestic love
and twisted morality.
Bonny( Barbara Allen, who
scorned a dying lover in the
original ballad, is converted to
a Smoky Mountain hussy for
the play, and her suitor John
becomes a witch boy who like
little Pinocchio longs to be human. They fall in love and Barbara's subsequent, premarital
pregnancy is a rather modern
embellishment of the old ballad.
The supernatural element also
modifies the traditional story.
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John is determined to become
human so that he can marry
Barbara Allen, despite dark warnings from three witches, very well
portrayed by Edd Little, Julie
McNeese and Helen Whelchel.
His transformation is completed
with the stipulation that he make
Barbara Allen his wife and that
she be faithful to him for year.
If the conditions are not met,
then he must return to darkness.
Unusual Staging

The unusual staging of this
scene makes it an especially effective one. Filmy strips of gauze
flutter about the three witches as
they slither around masses of cold
stone and a ghostly, twisted tree.
An eerie greenish-yellolight
creates an unearthly atmosphere
as the witches insist, "You will
miss the moon." They taunt him
with descriptions of the misery of
working in the "scorching sun."
The pious mountainfolk become suspicious of John's un
w

canny powers and witch-lik- e
disrespect for the church. And
they unfortunately learn of his
bargain with the witches on the
test. In the
eve of his
heat of an emotional revival they
influence Barbara Allen to commit adultery with an eager old
flame, by convincing her that it
will wash away her sin of marrying a witch boy. The inevitable
tragedy follows.
Shocked Surprise
Then, another savage twist in
their love affair takes the audience by shocked surprise.
Julie Anne Beasley is excellent
Bar"
as "purty,
bara Allen, and makes an easy
transition from haughty coyness
devotion in
to strong wife-lik-e
marriage.
And Dowell Piatt performs the
role of John with a great deal of
intensity. At times, the audience
can witness barely controlled fury
inside him almost bursting to the
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There is the Artist; there is
the Art into which the Artist
attempts to place himself; there
is the Other, who attempts to
find the Artist in the Art; there
is the Other attempting to find
himself in the Art; there are the
Artist and the Other in the Art,
passing each other in the fog,
catching a brief glimpse of each
other across the mountaintops;
occasionally bumping into each
other, excusing themselves, returning to the fog to seek each
other.
Yesterday I caught a brief
glimpse of Ay-He was in a hole, smaller
than I: We fondled each other,
my mind in a fingertip; his in
steel wool, sand. He frustrated
me, made me think of a jellyfish sting but without pain; he

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surface. At other times he displays unbelievable tenderness for
his beloved Barbara Allen. When
work in the "scorching sun" becomes unendurable, he visibly
wrestles with the lure of the
moon.
Commendable performances
also were turned in by Larry
as Uncle Smellicue,
Kelley
Carolyn Cope as the gullible
old maid Miss Met calf, and David
Foxworthy as Floyd Allen, Barbara's humorous brother.
abThe play is
some
sorbing and contains
genuinely funny lines. It is a
mountain tale, complete with
hillbilly accents (which several
minor performers unfortunately
handled
somewhat self-- concom likker and General
sciously),
Store gossip.
Three more performances will
be given, on the nights of Feb.
28, March 1 and 2. Tickets are
available through the Guignol
box office.

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Witch Boy

Tactile Rainbow'

Ay-O'- s

made me laugh with others; he
came upon me like a vise.
In return, I explored him as
fully as I could. I saw his patterns of colors two patterns of
rainbows reforming in many
patterns. I got lost for a minute
(hour?) immersed in his room and
then, I think, is when I caught
a brief glimpse of him. He is a
genial fellow, with a sense of
humor.
When I returned from theArts
I objectively sought to . . .
linearize him. It was too easy.
I saw sex (should I have brought
a three-foo- t
stepladder?); there
was a rediscovery of almost forgotten tactile senses, revealed
through the Mystery of the Hole.
I saw an elderly woman remove
her shoes and enter an Art;
another, younger, did not remove
her shoes; others were unable to
shake off the social context. Still
others pricked the skin of the
Arts to prove themselves capable of interpretation, and quickly pulled out their fingers as one
would lick the frosting bowl.
"Mmmm, chocolate, Mmmm, banana fudge."

Another ascribed the Arts as
bathroom tiles, which led me to
speculate in what place he most
felt to be himself. Verrry
Freudian, I'm sure you might
be saying.
Which is to say it seems to
me that many found mirrors in
the Artist's holes. Few jumped
through the mirrors, and if they
did they certainly couldn't externalize what they found inside
as easily as Alice did. Still others
would not even get out of themselves, which makes it virtually
impossible to get into the Arts
and their fog.
Technically, the Arts are
square rainbows, with a hole in
each's center. Inside the hole is
a tactile surprise, and the mystery of the surprise alerts the
senses in the most sensitive tactile part of the body the fingertip. A part of p rimit ivism is
thus restored for a short time.
And the colors? The intensity
of the subtle shades is all. The
repossession and rediscovery of
color and the inner light which
it emits is more difficult than the
tactile part but not unattainable.
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College Press Service
Black dissidents have confronted the staid National Educational Association with two major
organizational
challenges-t- he
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young people in
and endorsement of community
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control over schools.
The issue of who should run
the schools has imperiled the
New York City system this year,
and promises to be a threat to
NEA itself. The organization
faces a dilemma: many members
believe in the concept of community control, but they also

Dorm Changes Put
Men, Women Closer
Having men and women's living quarters generally closer to each
other was part of the reason behind dormitory changes to go into
effect next fall.
James King, assistant busiHolmes, Boyd and Haggin
ness manager and former direcHalls will house freshman men,
tor of auxiliary services, said of
the coming dormitory realign- while upperclass men will be at
ment: "I think it will work very Kirwan I, II, III, IV and the
Tower.
fine." He added
Freshman women will live
last fall,
"Through experience
in Donovan, Jewell, Patterson
the University realized that it
and Blanding III and IV. Upper-clas- s
needed additional
space for
women will go into Keene-Ianmen," he said. "Male students
Blazer, Blanding I and the
were turned away from the Comand there was a large num- Tower.
plex,
The graduate and professionber of vacancies in women's
al dorm will remain Blanding
dorms."
and Sophomores will be given
King said there was a need II,
the option of applying for
for "a realignment of space. Last
year too much space was allotted Jewell Hall.
for women and not enough for
Physical appearance of the
dorms will not change except
men."
of Donovan
To provide a balance, these for the
already proposed for this year.
modifications will occur

must insure protection of teacher
rights. Those rights are endangered when parents can hire
and fire at whim, they argue.
NEA's delegate assembly will
be squarely faced with the issue
in July; the meeting should be
a virtual replay of the New York
crisis, with implications for all
big American cities.
Until then, NEA's staff will
no doubt attempt to quietly implement the other demand issued
by the black caucus at a "summit conference" last month-bla- ck
student power within NEA
itself.
Young people the "consumers of education" especially
disthe delinquent, drop-ou- t,
advantaged and deprived, should
be invited to all NEA meetings
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reborn under a new name, has
faltered, and may be going the
way of its ancestor. Editor Bonnie
Cox has resigned, and the Board
of Student Publications has decided
not to find a successor at present.
The role, style and handling of
the publication have been placed
under consideration with the apparent hope that the resulting product will be more successful in
terms of acceptance than the present Review.
The Review has had a hard
life, and it is a wonder the publication has made it this far. The
board has been hard pressed to obtain enough money from the Uni

versity to operate it (the editor
doesn't even get a salary), and marketing and promotion of the Review have never been adequately
tackled.
But the Review has been produced, mostly due to the hard work
of Miss Cox, and it has been a respectable product. Several nationally known personalities have
had their work published in its
pages.
The study the board has undertaken hopefully will plot a more
steady path for the Review. The
Publication should not be forgotten. A literary magazine of its
caliber has a place on the UK

Unwitting Support
Military officers directing the
Reserve Officers Training Corps
(ROTC) have indicated they are
worried about the program's future,
not so much because several prestigious schools are discontinuing
academic credit for ROTC courses,
but because of the possibility of an
army being implemented.
A recent Associated Press story
brought out the fact that probably
the major reason students are enrolling in ROTC is because, realizing they will be drafted, they would
rather take the easy way out and
go in as an officer, thereby avoiding much of the dirty work. This
fact underlines yet another objection to allowing credit for ROTC

doing this, students
are unwittingly encouraged to support an institution they in reality
abhor. Because many do not have
the fortitude to confront the institution, they instead comply with
it.
The AP story also brings up
another interesting consideration:
Will ROTC officials, in their zeal
to perpetuate their little pet program, bring forth their influence
against plans to do away with the
draft? This possibility, though unbelievably stupid would not at all
be beyond the capabilities of some
of our erstwhile military personnel.
If it should materialize, however,
it would represent the epitome of
d
stupidity.
courses.

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Editorials represent the opinions of the Editors, not of the University.
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Kernel Soapbox; Original Boycott Not Illegal8
EDITOR'S NOTE: The following was of the semester instead of June 1 whether
first presented as a speech to the Kirwan they'll be required to live on campus.
Another good indication of Student
Tower Government.
Government success was the pressures
By STEVE BRIGHT
used by the administration to destroy
Speaker Of The Assembly
Before I discuss the new "boycott," the boycott and reduce Student Governwhich I do not strongly advocate, I ment's opposition to the housing policy.
would like to first touch on my orig- An example of this pressure was the
inal topic for this evening, the old boy- threat that students would lose their
cott, which was vetoed by President Bryan. roommate priorities for participating in
Contrary to indications from various the boycott.
I would like to also point out that
sources, there was nothing illegal about
the boycott. It was simply another way a far more important section of the last
for students directly affected by the hous- housing bill than the boycott was vetoed
A request that Fiing policy to show their opposition to it. last Thursday night.
nance Committee Statement 9berecinded
e
there are a couple of
Although
effects of the policy which I will by the Board of Trustees was vetoed.
Finance Committee Statement 9 IS
mention in a minute, two of the immediate reasons for opposing the policy would the housing policy.
It gives the University the authority
affect students now in dorms.
not telling students until to require sophomores, juniors and senFirst, by
June 1 whether or not they would be re- iors to live in University housing facilquired to live in dorms, the University ities, if the University feels this is necesmade it virtually impossible for students sary. This is the policy which almost
living very far from Lexington toindicate 4,000 students expressed overwhelming
on the application that they didn't want to disapproval of in the Student Government referendum last semester.
live in dorms.
force
The Student Government Assembly
Second, by using this method to
a Statement
students to live in dorms, the University passed by a vote of 23-Facilities which I sponsored
created the danger of overcrowded dorms
next fall or the possibility that students on November 21, last semester. This bill
contained a clause calling for exactly the
could be told in the middle of the summer that there was no room for them in same thing, repeal of Finance Committee
Statement 9; yet no one voted against
the dorms.
I am sure that Dean Hall won't adit and it wasn't veoted.
mit it, but action by Student GovernThe bill which was vetoed passed the
ment on the housing issue has definitely Assembly by a vote of 16-- just one week
before the Assembly failed to override
produced some results.
Dr. Kirwan talked with several Stuthe veto.
dent Government representatives the day
Several people have attributed the opof the last SG meeting. I can assure you position to the policy to a misunderthat this doesn't happen very often. He standing or to reading things into Finance
promised then to have a survey taken to Committee Statement 9.
see how many freshmen plan to live on
I have listened to Dr. Kirwan on
campus next year and said that if it several occasions and I have talked with
appeared that a large number had such a number of students and administrators
who have tried to "explain" the policy
plans, other freshmen wouldn't be reto me and I still feel, as I said after the
quired to turn in contracts.
The Housing Office has promised that January meeting of the Board of Trustees,
If the
reverse "boycott" works, that students understand the policy all
students who don't want to live on camtoo well.
We still have too many people who
pus next year will know before the end

accept everything an administrator tells
them. We need to recognize garbage as
garbage.
As long as Finance Committee Statement 9 exists as our housing policy, the
University can reopen the quadrangle as
dormitories and build more dorms.
Dr. Kirwan says no new dorms will
be built, but what will the new President
of the University say?
When will be the next time students
say they want no new dorms?
Will it be too late?

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As long as students are required to
fill donns like Boyd Hall, or any other
for that matter, it means that the Uni-

versity will never need to respond to the
desires of students and can continue to
dominate areas of student life which no
other landlord would be concerned with.
Perhaps if Dean Pond wouldn't kee